Western psychological exhaustion

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Bob Dylan Roof
Ix mlad Bronze Age Pervert Inkarri Thomas777

I just came across an interesting anecdote from Carl Jung's memoirs concerning a conversation he had with a Native American Chief in New Mexico. In their conversation, Chief "Mountain Lake" observed a wide psychological gulf between whites and his own people that manifested in white physiology:

“See how cruel the whites look, their lips are thin, their noses sharp, their faces furrowed and distorted by folds. Their eyes have a staring expression; they are always seeking something. What are they seeking? The whites always want something. They are always uneasy and restless. We do not know what they want. We do not understand them. We think that they are all mad.”​

The Chief offered a cliched reason for the white characteristic:

When Jung asks why he thinks they are all mad, Mountain Lake replies, “They say they think with their heads.” “Why of course,” says Jung. “What do you think with?” “We think here,” says Chief Mountain Lake, indicating his heart.​

A few observations came to mind when reading this. It is of course true that western coldness and cruelty are largely responsible for the western conquest of the world: the western will to power and Faustian-Promethean cultural soul fit the Chief's description of white psychology well. It also seems, however, that the Chief is describing the sort of joyless state of perpetual anxiety that characterizes so many whites today. This constant despairing unease and insecurity does not square with the cheerful psychological purity that accompanied the western pursuit of power prior to the industrial revolution. Ultimately, it seems to me that the Chief was describing the spiritual and physiological exhaustion that Nietzsche predicted would give birth to a truly western form of Buddhism -- a form of Buddhism through which whites, rendered physically and psychologically exhausted by impure consciences and the conceptual weight of thousands of years of religion and ideology, would seek escape from their own suffering.

Jung's response ironically reflects the despair observed by the Chief:

After this exchange, Jung fell into a deep meditation. The Pueblo chief had struck a vulnerable spot. Jung saw image upon image of cruelties wreaked by his forebears: the Roman eagle on the North Sea and the White Nile, “the keenly incised features of Julius Caesar, Scipio Africanus, and Pompey…Charlemagne’s most glorious forced conversions of the heathen…the pillaging, murdering bands of the Crusading armies…the peoples of the Pacific islands decimated by firewater, syphilis and scarlet fever carried in the clothes the missionaries forced on them.”​

Carl Jüng was a psychologist, i.e. he didn't perform any productive work. (He tried to correct this by building Bollingen, but he failed, the place is a dump). It's normal that he bought the red man's bullshit, idleness and makework give birth to despair. Give all "social scientists" and HR whores a real job and you have solved 50% of the west's psychological problems.

Niccolo and Donkey
Powerful Male Mohel supplanter Asterion

Thin lips are a sign of cunning and which is usually coupled not with dispassion nor detachment, but with coldness tied to malice. Unease is a trait of knowing something is fundamentally wrong, but restlessness produces vitality.

Emotion over reason? Little wonder why they're relegated to reservations and casinos. Their way of life failed. Their system failed. Their gods failed.

Roland, tell us more about this budding "Western Buddhism".
This is a non-response. Coldness is of course a dimension of detachment ... the fusion of the truest unlike is only possible at white heat ... and although tension is a prerequisite of the two most spectacular forms of vital movement (the shearing past and the exploding outward) what afflicts the West today is of a different order ... the prisoner's feet tracing out a ring in the dust, the circus bear licking raw its paws, the shuddering of Parkinson's-afflicted wrists. Why does a door yawn outwards against repeated pushings into place? The feebleness of the latch, the swelling outward of wood – now try to understand this in the language of race!

Your veins are sluggish and spotted with unreal dualism and late modern degradations of anatomical metaphor, so of course you don't understand what the Pueblo king meant – and neither did Jung. When he indicated the heart, the source of the pulse, he did not mean emotion as you, you crimped edges, hammered sheets, and mute pictures, understand it. Do you know the meaning ... of the movement of the blood ?

The advantage of the Europeans and Negroes over America was purely biological – merely pathogenic – and consequently merely transitory. Already your kinky-haired Semite Christ and the frayed old shawl Mary have crept away in silence, bent double under cover of night, from this continent ... the buboes subsided as we drank the broth of their marrow and chewed with sore teeth the pounded paste of their flesh, the pock-marks faded as we burnished our skin with bars of their fat. Not too long from now you will quit this continent and return to the bosom of the Hebrews and Arabs and Mumbai rats that are your kin.

The next step will be the cupellation.

Stress on the environment may have been reflected in the social structure, leading to conflict and warfare. Near Kayenta, Arizona , Jonathan Haas of the Field Museum in Chicago has been studying a group of Ancient Pueblo villages that relocated from the canyons to the high mesa tops during the late 13th century. The only reason Haas can see for a move so far from water and arable land is defense against enemies. He asserts that isolated communities relied on raiding for food and supplies, and that internal conflict and warfare became common in the 13th century.
This conflict may have been aggravated by the influx of less settled peoples, Numic-speakers such as the Utes , Shoshones and Paiute people , who may have originated in what is today California . Others suggest that more developed villages, such as that at Chaco Canyon overstressed their environment, resulting in widespread deforestation and eventually the fall of their civilization through warfare over depleted resources.
A 1997 excavation at Cowboy Wash near Dolores, Colorado , found remains of at least twenty-four human skeletons that showed evidence of violence and dismemberment, with strong indications of cannibalism . This modest community appears to have been abandoned during the same time period. [23] Other excavations within the Ancient Pueblo culture area produce varying numbers of unburied, and in some cases dismembered, bodies. [24] In a 2010 paper, Potter and Chuipka argued that evidence at Sacred Ridge Site, near Durango, Colorado , is best interpreted as ethnic cleansing . [25]


I realize my post may have seemed pointlessly contrarian, what I mean is that although it seems Jung interpreted it to mean mercilessness, I wonder if "cruelty" was meant to mean ambitious and driven. Given the practices of those natives, and the state that western civilization was in at the time, the latter seems more likely to me.

Randall McMurphy
Syphilis ravaged Europe--it worked both ways and not a reasonable conclusion.
Randall McMurphy

Hermann Hesse predated the German "Conservative Revolution", but he had a series of novels on the notion of a European Buddhism, contained in the still widely read Siddhartha (Steppenwolf is also still widely read because it's cool .) The Glass Bead Game (which was a book of the year in whatever literary circle) I believe is an attempt at presenting a European Buddhism suggesting a form of political organization. Hesse, like Junger, was also an early 'explorer' with the psycho-active drug scene in Europe, after Hoffman recreated ergot in his lab. Tim Leary said he met a Buddhist high priest or whatever, gave him LSD, and the man experienced nothing--just as a side note.

How many European ethne did syphilis obliterate? Where in Europe did syphilis pave the way for race replacement by Amerindians and mestizos? If one thing is indisputable about the pathogenic component of the Atlantic Exchange, it's that it was nowhere close to an even exchange.
Don Johnson

I think this has more to do with the difficulty of empathizing with out-group members and the tendency to view out-group members as hostile, inscrutable, etc. than some deep psychological insight on the part of the chief.

Is "cheerful psychological purity" the best description of the pre-Industrial Revolution, Western Christian mind? The traditional Catholic or Protestant mind certainly wasn't free of anxiety, unease, and insecurity. If anything, it was much more serious than what consumes the contemporary mind simply because so much more was at stake: the salvation of one's eternal soul. The pursuit of power was psychologically justified with these feelings in mind.