Harappan men replaced by elite of unknown origin?

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Bob Dylan Roof
Bronze Age Pervert President Camacho CLAMOR

Via Dienekes :


They were most likely Tamils. Tamil power.


President Camacho
Byssus Roland mlad Broseph Asterion Bronze Age Pervert CLAMOR

What is the approximate date of these burials?

If I'm not mistaken, is it not conventionally accepted now that the Harappan civilization was primarily of Dravidian origin, so that these "foreign" males are most likely NOT Tamils, as Byssus claims above?

The Aryans invaded between 2000-1500 BC to smash the shitskin hegemony and usher in the "Heroic Age" of Vedic India. I think the genetic results will vindicate this...

Dienekes' link suggests that the foreign-born individuals at Harappa may be from [the Dravidian kingdoms of] Mesopotamia, which is consistent with the Dravidian origins of Neolithic technology and state formation in West Eurasia.

Tamil civilization has experienced two past golden ages spanning many millennia, the First and Second Tamil Caṅkams, based at Ten-Madurai in Kumari Kandam /Lemuria. The preponderance of evidence now suggests Harappa to be a peripheral Lemurian settlement. Tamils furthermore founded Elamite civilization (cf. Eelam ), came as culture-bearers to Australia and founded the Pama-Nyungan language family that covers most of that continent, and may have some relationship to the pre-Austronesian inhabitants of Madagascar.

There is a significant non-Indo-European substrate in the earliest Vedic texts, which for the misguided Invasionists should be as surprising as finding American frontier clergymen using all kinds of Comanche words in their sermons.

Note also the formative role of Dravidian contact in the history of the Uralic peoples , which has been appreciated even in the West for a long time .

The prototypical feathered serpent deities of Mesoamerica can be traced to historical Tamil personages like Kukilkhaan (observe the resemblance between "Palenque" and Tamil names like Lanka or Ilangai ).

Bob Dylan Roof
Except that Indo-European languages were not written and the earliest Vedas probably postdate the invasions by hundreds of years. So a creolized written Sanskrit is far less surprising than an American frontier clergyman using Comanche words.

Yes, these likely wouldn't be Aryan males, but I always assumed Harappan civilization was homogeneous.
Except they were perfectly preserved in oral transmission for 2,500 years before they were first written down (see here ):

Specifically, the same text is normally memorized in its entirety in up to eleven different modes of recitation ( pathas ) that require complex grammatical and recitative manipulation of the base text. The first three of these modes retain the normal word order of the text: the first ( samhita-patha ) being a full, connected reading of the words with all proper grammatical elisions (a-b-c-d-e, etc.); the second ( pada-patha ) being a reading of the text with each word as an isolated unit, without elision between words (a, b, c, d, e, etc.); and the third ( krama-patha ) involving repetition of the second of each pair of words (on the pattern ab, bc, cd, de, etc.). The reamining eight modes, or vikrtis (lit., "alternations") involve manipulation (through some kind of inversion, or viloma ) of the basic word order: The jata-patha, for example, which is held to be the first and oldest of the vikrtis, reverses the order and repeats each pair of words in the text three times (o the pattern ab, ba, ab; bc, cb, bc; etc.). Even more complex is the vikrti known as ghana-patha : ab, ba, abc, cba, abc; bc, cb, bcd, dcb, bcd; and so on). In these ways, together with strict traditions of accentuation and melodic rendering, the base text is mastered literally backwards and forward in fully acoustic fashion as a hedge against faulty transmission of any word or syllable.​

It is therefore no exaggeration to say that a Vedic text is explicitly not a written text, but an oral one. This often-neglected fact is dramatically underscored by the answer than an eighteenth-century Indian pundit is said to have given a European Christian who inquired about "the Vedic books": " Veda is that which pertains to religion; books are not veda ."​

You mad ?
Bob Dylan Roof

lol no. Your source goes on to say that texts are used in the teaching of the Vedas - presumably a modification of the original tradition. And even if they have been passed purely through oral transmission with no modification, the number of borrowed words in Sanskrit is hardly cause to be surprised. This is the same issue with the Homeric texts, which although they were passed down from a bronze age oral tradition to Homer, mysteriously lack basic descriptions of the operation of chariots. The same is true of proto-Anatolian, which contains far more borrowed words than Sanskrit, Greek, or Latin. None of this amounts to surprising evidence against invasionist hypotheses.


No! They were perfectly preserved, at least in South India. The Dravidian memory is an unparalleled Lagerstätte of the most antique history, as attested to by the unbroken transmission in Kerala of proto-human vocalizations whose meanings have long since been lost to the world but whose phonetic attributes are exactly the same as they were at the dawn of language.

You are misconstruing the range of alternatives to the outdated Invasionist hypothesis. In truth, the Indo-Europeans were exogenous to India (in the narrow sense) but were led back by their Dravidian sage-princes, who have patiently acted in this capacity for most of this planet's nations (and many beyond it), to the Indian homeland of all mankind in order that they might find gainful employment as guest workers (herdsmen and gopis, banker-warriors, etc.). At around the time the Isthmus of Panama last rose above sea level, these benighted country-cousins had largely degenerated into hooligans and welfare queens, and so in penance Lemuria withdrew beneath the waves to await the restoration of Dharmic Dravidian kingship over all the Earth.

As for the Homeric epics, they're almost irrelevant here, as A. Fomenko has demonstrated conclusively that they are of very recent provenance (the Trojan War took place no earlier than 800 years before present, and Homer lived in the following century).