Rise of the Drones

10 posts

Arcturus -- What did you think of the above documentary and why do you recommend it?

I haven't watched it yet and thought I'd look for some sort of summary or review before bothering. Found this: http://www.theinnoplex.com/news/new...ones-documentary-public-service-or-propaganda

The documentary is interesting because it offers a tour de force of contemporary drone technology and its military applications as well as a decent analysis of future prospects and the generic ramifications of drone proliferation.

It was obviously produced in the good graces of the military and defense contractors, but that is a plus because it offers an insider's look into the technology, and furthermore, the documentary was not intended to be a critical analysis of the legal ramifications or a warning bell against the erosion of privacy rights, etc., but the viewer can easily draw his own conclusions about these things. (rust)


Appreciate the review -- will now watch.

My jewdar went off when they interviewed Abe Karem, the "grandfather of the MQ-1 Predator", and sure enough, says wiki: Karem was the former chief designer for the Israeli Air Force - who built his first drone during 1973's Yom Kippur War [...]


Also, I lolled at the fat Greek engineer who was clearly seen wearing a gold chain of some kind.
President Camacho
"Shoot the sperg videogame drone operator , kill his family, and everyone who ordered the remote control hit on my home."
President Camacho
The major @ 23:00, the trainer who'd been a fighter pilot, was a normal, competitive white jock type, of the sort you'd usually associate with the Air Force... but I thought it was telling when he explained that his trainees had no prior manned flight experience.

The crop of trainees did not look especially heroic... there was the beady-eyed sissy whom the cameraman loved to show acne close-ups of, the slovenly-looking turd who "forgot to put the laser on", and, in the one shot you can see this lanky bespectacled ginger lurking in the background like a goon. This really is the future of the US military. Total domination by bureaucrats and dorky types, allergic to creativity and improvisation and only effective at rote memorization.
The rise of drone technology is something that will even the playing field, rather than give the advantage to conventional militaries. The military first bought into this idea because it presents the possibility of zero human casualties on its side, no more downed pilots, killed or captured. The White House and Pentagon can wage any war they like without domestic opposition if American casualties are kept to a minimum. There is no other reason to keep the pilot on the ground and have him fly it by remote control, other than the maneuvers a machine can perform that would incapacitate a man. What's more, they're going to apply this to all kinds of weapons platforms, transports, etc. I just read an article from Der Spiegel about Google and the German automakers on the verge of introducing cars with total automated driving. They'll have remote control tanks, helicopters, surface to air missile launchers, cargo trucks. After all, if they can send out a convoy of remote control humvees and semi-trucks to deliver supplies to this or that base or outpost, IED's and other road ambushes become almost bloodless for the military.
On the other hand, Zarqawi would have loved to have an arsenal of remote control cars he could pack with artillery shells. And what does the security detail do when assassins remote control helicopter an explosive package right into their target's bedroom window as he sleeps, or into his podium as he gives a speech? Hezbollah has drones today with the intent of steering them into IDF bases and Israeli infrastructure should another round set off.
This technology gives power that was once in the hand of the state, into the hands of armed dissidents. Google Earth and Street view mean terrorists don't even need to case their targets, which used to be half the operation in the 90's... they had to send their intel guys and everything to do what anybody's mom can do now from her sofa and risk getting caught. Cheney insisted his house be blot out, he understood. Israel hates Google and demanded it black out everything they ask because it was perfect for Hamas and Hezbollah. Obama wants to play with drones, but what can he do when some Arab engineering nerd decides he's going to fly one over DC or Hyde Park with the same intent? It's not a good way to go. The military had a monopoly on certain weapons, but like the internet itself, this is going to get into everyone's hands.
“I felt like a sociopath” – Drone Operator Says He Is Haunted By The 1,600 He Killed
“I lost that respect for life… I became heartless… I felt like a sociopath… I wanted to kill these people”


By Richard Engel

June 11, 2013

A former Air Force drone operator who says he participated in missions that killed more than 1,600 people remembers watching one of the first victims bleed to death.

Brandon Bryant says he was sitting in a chair at a Nevada Air Force base operating the camera when his team fired two missiles from their drone at three men walking down a road halfway around the world in Afghanistan. The missiles hit all three targets, and Bryant says he could see the aftermath on his computer screen – including thermal images of a growing puddle of hot blood.

“The guy that was running forward, he’s missing his right leg,” he recalled. “And I watch this guy bleed out and, I mean, the blood is hot.” As the man died his body grew cold, said Bryant, and his thermal image changed until he became the same color as the ground.

“I can see every little pixel,” said Bryant, who has been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder, “if I just close my eyes.”

Bryant, now 27, served as a drone sensor operator from 2006 to 2011, at bases in Nevada, New Mexico and in Iraq, guiding unmanned drones over Iraq and Afghanistan. Though he didn’t fire missiles himself he took part in missions that he was told led to the deaths of an estimated 1,626 individuals.

In an interview with NBC News, he provided a rare first-person glimpse into what it’s like to control the controversial machines that have become central to the U.S. effort to kill terrorists.

He says that as an operator he was troubled by the physical disconnect between his daily routine and the violence and power of the faraway drones. “You don’t feel the aircraft turn,” he said. “You don’t feel the hum of the engine. You hear the hum of the computers, but that’s definitely not the same thing.”

At the same time, the images coming back from the drones were very real and very graphic.

“People say that drone strikes are like mortar attacks,” Bryant said. “Well, artillery doesn’t see this. Artillery doesn’t see the results of their actions. It’s really more intimate for us, because we see everything.”

A self-described “naïve” kid from a small Montana town, Bryant joined the Air Force in 2005 at age 19. After he scored well on tests, he said a recruiter told him that as a drone operator he would be like the smart guys in the control room in a James Bond movie, the ones who feed the agent the information he needs to complete his mission.

He trained for three and a half months before participating in his first drone mission. Bryant operated the drone’s cameras from his perch at Nellis Air Force base in Nevada as the drone rose into the air just north of Baghdad.

Bryant and the rest of his team were supposed to use their drone to provide support and protection to patrolling U.S. troops. But he recalls watching helplessly as insurgents buried an IED in a road and a U.S. Humvee drove over it.

“We had no way to warn the troops,” he said. He later learned that three soldiers died.
And once he had taken part in a kill, any remaining illusions about James Bond disappeared. “Like, this isn’t a videogame,” he said. “This isn’t some sort of fantasy. This is war. People die.”

Bryant said that most of the time he was an operator, he and his team and his commanding officers made a concerted effort to avoid civilian casualties.

But he began to wonder who the enemy targets on the ground were, and whether they really posed a threat. He’s still not certain whether the three men in Afghanistan were really Taliban insurgents or just men with guns in a country where many people carry guns. The men were five miles from American forces arguing with each other when the first missile hit them.

“They (didn’t) seem to be in a hurry,” he recalled. “They (were) just doing their thing. … They were probably carrying rifles, but I wasn’t convinced that they were bad guys.“ But as a 21-year-old airman, said Bryant, he didn’t think he had the standing to ask questions.

He also remembers being convinced that he had seen a child scurry onto his screen during one mission just before a missile struck, despite assurances from others that the figure he’d seen was really a dog.

After participating in hundreds of missions over the years, Bryant said he “lost respect for life” and began to feel like a sociopath. He remembers coming into work in 2010, seeing pictures of targeted individuals on the wall – Anwar al-Awlaki and other al Qaeda and Taliban leaders — and musing, “Which one of these f_____s is going to die today?”

In 2011, as Bryant’s career as a drone operator neared its end, he said his commander presented him with what amounted to a scorecard. It showed that he had participated in missions that contributed to the deaths of 1,626 people.

“I would’ve been happy if they never even showed me the piece of paper,” he said.

“I’ve seen American soldiers die, innocent people die, and insurgents die. And it’s not pretty. It’s not something that I want to have — this diploma.”

Now that he’s out of the Air Force and back home in Montana, Bryant said he doesn’t want to think about how many people on that list might’ve been innocent: “It’s too heartbreaking.”

The Veterans Administration diagnosed him with Post-traumatic Stress Disorder, for which he has undergone counseling. He says his PTSD has manifested itself as anger, sleeplessness and blackout drinking.

“I don’t feel like I can really interact with that average, everyday person,” he said. “I get too frustrated, because A) they don’t realize what’s going on over there. And B) they don’t care.”

He’s also reluctant to tell the people in his personal life what he was doing for five years. When he told a woman he was seeing that he’d been a drone operator, and contributed to the deaths of a large number of people, she cut him off. “She looked at me like I was a monster,” he said. “And she never wanted to touch me again.”

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/embed/792cd1u_XQw